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	<title>Comments on: ATVFlash &#8211; playing fair?</title>
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		<title>By: Jenith Pamela</title>
		<link>http://www.appletvhacks.net/2008/05/28/atvflash-playing-fair/#comment-249737</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenith Pamela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice! Now I know what to do, thank you!  And as this information is educational so this site has been added to my RSS feed for later browsing. To know more about&lt;br&gt;marathon training visit: &lt;a href=&quot;http://marathontrainingschedule.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;marathontrainingschedule.net&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;[ &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marathontrainingschedule.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;running training program&lt;/a&gt; ]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice! Now I know what to do, thank you!  And as this information is educational so this site has been added to my RSS feed for later browsing. To know more about<br />marathon training visit: <a href="http://marathontrainingschedule.net" rel="nofollow">marathontrainingschedule.net</a><br />[ <a href="http://www.marathontrainingschedule.net" rel="nofollow">running training program</a> ]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.appletvhacks.net/2008/05/28/atvflash-playing-fair/#comment-70165</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They can charge whatever they want to, guys...is just business at the end of the day]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They can charge whatever they want to, guys&#8230;is just business at the end of the day</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://www.appletvhacks.net/2008/05/28/atvflash-playing-fair/#comment-62089</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am using ATVPATCH and for $20 (especially with the UK exchange rates) is quite a good deal.    It enables everything I need.    I do not see how ATVFLASH can charge $50 for exactly the same thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am using ATVPATCH and for $20 (especially with the UK exchange rates) is quite a good deal.    It enables everything I need.    I do not see how ATVFLASH can charge $50 for exactly the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dietbert</title>
		<link>http://www.appletvhacks.net/2008/05/28/atvflash-playing-fair/#comment-61767</link>
		<dc:creator>Dietbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just got a subscription on atvpatch.com (was atv4windows.com) (I think thats the same business, other people) and got my patchstickimage as download for $20 and for THAT Price is ok compared to the work I do not have  with building the Stick. but $60 is toomuch for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got a subscription on atvpatch.com (was atv4windows.com) (I think thats the same business, other people) and got my patchstickimage as download for $20 and for THAT Price is ok compared to the work I do not have  with building the Stick. but $60 is toomuch for me.</p>
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		<title>By: pigumon</title>
		<link>http://www.appletvhacks.net/2008/05/28/atvflash-playing-fair/#comment-59865</link>
		<dc:creator>pigumon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Um... Has no one been to the site lately?
The reason they stopped shipping flash drive with 2.2 is that they are now doing &quot;bring your own flash drive&quot; and instant download version 3.0!!!
=)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230; Has no one been to the site lately?</p>
<p>The reason they stopped shipping flash drive with 2.2 is that they are now doing &#8220;bring your own flash drive&#8221; and instant download version 3.0!!!</p>
<p>=)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.appletvhacks.net/2008/05/28/atvflash-playing-fair/#comment-59568</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 04:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, after spending some time, with a Tiger disk, that I borrowed from a friend I now know it is not all that easy to just go and make a patchstick. First off you need the install disk from and OS you never owned. Then you borrow it, only to find that the files you need aren&#039;t in the packages you think they are supposed to be in.
Many of us are new Apple owners and we don&#039;t have Tiger disks, so we can&#039;t just go out and make a patchstick. We aren&#039;t lazy, we just need to be able to get all of the files we need, and this is impossible for us to do.
Frankly, I would rather give some guy the money for doing this, rather than have to search the net for a bunch of files that aren&#039;t in the package that Awkward says there in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, after spending some time, with a Tiger disk, that I borrowed from a friend I now know it is not all that easy to just go and make a patchstick. First off you need the install disk from and OS you never owned. Then you borrow it, only to find that the files you need aren&#8217;t in the packages you think they are supposed to be in.</p>
<p>Many of us are new Apple owners and we don&#8217;t have Tiger disks, so we can&#8217;t just go out and make a patchstick. We aren&#8217;t lazy, we just need to be able to get all of the files we need, and this is impossible for us to do.</p>
<p>Frankly, I would rather give some guy the money for doing this, rather than have to search the net for a bunch of files that aren&#8217;t in the package that Awkward says there in.</p>
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		<title>By: vakantie</title>
		<link>http://www.appletvhacks.net/2008/05/28/atvflash-playing-fair/#comment-58684</link>
		<dc:creator>vakantie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I must say this is apple at its top. We &quot;fan&#039;s&quot; have to pay to get the best from apple. I love the fruity computer brand, but can&#039;t the do something for the apple community once.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say this is apple at its top. We &#8220;fan&#8217;s&#8221; have to pay to get the best from apple. I love the fruity computer brand, but can&#8217;t the do something for the apple community once.</p>
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		<title>By: void</title>
		<link>http://www.appletvhacks.net/2008/05/28/atvflash-playing-fair/#comment-58679</link>
		<dc:creator>void</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Value-adding software by offering it up for as a combo of hardware/service for is ok. Many of us are not geeks with tons of time. We just want plug&#039;n&#039;play. If developers want in on the action, go for it and we&#039;ll buy it from them. If not, shut up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Value-adding software by offering it up for as a combo of hardware/service for is ok. Many of us are not geeks with tons of time. We just want plug&#8217;n'play. If developers want in on the action, go for it and we&#8217;ll buy it from them. If not, shut up.</p>
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		<title>By: Dag68</title>
		<link>http://www.appletvhacks.net/2008/05/28/atvflash-playing-fair/#comment-57138</link>
		<dc:creator>Dag68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 04:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS: I&#039;m thrilled that I can stop converting everything into one apple&#039;s chosen codecs just to view it on my TV]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: I&#8217;m thrilled that I can stop converting everything into one apple&#8217;s chosen codecs just to view it on my TV</p>
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		<title>By: Dag68</title>
		<link>http://www.appletvhacks.net/2008/05/28/atvflash-playing-fair/#comment-57137</link>
		<dc:creator>Dag68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 04:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I moved quickly enough, my ATV patchstick arrive today and I&#039;ve installed it and got just about everything up and running.  I&#039;m very happy with the value for cost.  Installation went without a hitch and I didn&#039;t have to spend a week reading forum post to learn how.  Any complaints I have now are with the particular pieces of software (Couch surfer - I want to change the display font or the resolution!)
I&#039;ve hacked most every piece of hardware I&#039;ve bought , including my iPhone, ReplayTV, Motorola Razr and several other phones, Virgin Webplayer, I-Opener, Cue Cat and god knows what else.  I suck with a solder gun but have managed to build a 9v usb charger in an altoids tin, mod an old mouse into a gaming spinner and wire a Mame control panel.  I&#039;ve rarely bricked anything irrevocably but I&#039;ve been so happy with my AppleTV that I was reluctant to attack it without some careful in depth study and I lack the time for that study.  The ATV patchstick is the perfect solution and well worth the $60 idiot tax (I&#039;d rather call it the &quot;my life is to busy&quot; tax.
I know that folks have spent hundreds and hundreds of hours developing these hacks but you know what, not everyone has the knowledge and/or training to do these kind of hacks unsupported and I for one think its fine for them to take the shortcut.  Isn&#039;t what we do about expanding the box (whichever box happens to be in hand) and opening it up.  Why keep that from all but the &quot;worthy&quot; who are willing to climb a technical mountain to gain nirvanna?  That sounds like BS from people who didn&#039;t develop the hacks themselves but want to feel special because they&#039;ve got the skills to apply them.
I understand people getting hot about the $$$ charged, but 60 bucks isn&#039;t a lot for the value of making this easy and if it was, no one would buy.  I expect they did some real work to automate the install and make it safe (ish?).  If they charged $60 for you to ship your AppleTV to them and install the hacks for you, I don&#039;t think many would find that excessive or dishonest.  That should be their next business model, offered in conjunction with their hard drive upgrade service.
My only disappointment is that I may lose out on my anticipated year of upgrades that was supposed to be included in my $60.  I&#039;m sure I still qualify for upgrades, but I don&#039;t know if any will come out.    But now that I&#039;ve got SFTP access, hopefully I can roll with the punches!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I moved quickly enough, my ATV patchstick arrive today and I&#8217;ve installed it and got just about everything up and running.  I&#8217;m very happy with the value for cost.  Installation went without a hitch and I didn&#8217;t have to spend a week reading forum post to learn how.  Any complaints I have now are with the particular pieces of software (Couch surfer &#8211; I want to change the display font or the resolution!)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve hacked most every piece of hardware I&#8217;ve bought , including my iPhone, ReplayTV, Motorola Razr and several other phones, Virgin Webplayer, I-Opener, Cue Cat and god knows what else.  I suck with a solder gun but have managed to build a 9v usb charger in an altoids tin, mod an old mouse into a gaming spinner and wire a Mame control panel.  I&#8217;ve rarely bricked anything irrevocably but I&#8217;ve been so happy with my AppleTV that I was reluctant to attack it without some careful in depth study and I lack the time for that study.  The ATV patchstick is the perfect solution and well worth the $60 idiot tax (I&#8217;d rather call it the &#8220;my life is to busy&#8221; tax.  </p>
<p>I know that folks have spent hundreds and hundreds of hours developing these hacks but you know what, not everyone has the knowledge and/or training to do these kind of hacks unsupported and I for one think its fine for them to take the shortcut.  Isn&#8217;t what we do about expanding the box (whichever box happens to be in hand) and opening it up.  Why keep that from all but the &#8220;worthy&#8221; who are willing to climb a technical mountain to gain nirvanna?  That sounds like BS from people who didn&#8217;t develop the hacks themselves but want to feel special because they&#8217;ve got the skills to apply them.</p>
<p>I understand people getting hot about the $$$ charged, but 60 bucks isn&#8217;t a lot for the value of making this easy and if it was, no one would buy.  I expect they did some real work to automate the install and make it safe (ish?).  If they charged $60 for you to ship your AppleTV to them and install the hacks for you, I don&#8217;t think many would find that excessive or dishonest.  That should be their next business model, offered in conjunction with their hard drive upgrade service.</p>
<p>My only disappointment is that I may lose out on my anticipated year of upgrades that was supposed to be included in my $60.  I&#8217;m sure I still qualify for upgrades, but I don&#8217;t know if any will come out.    But now that I&#8217;ve got SFTP access, hopefully I can roll with the punches!</p>
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